<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>1508 | James Colliander</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/tag/1508/</link><atom:link href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/tag/1508/index.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><description>1508</description><generator>Wowchemy (https://wowchemy.com)</generator><language>en-us</language><copyright>© 2026 James Colliander</copyright><lastBuildDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:51:57 +0000</lastBuildDate><image><url>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/media/icon_hud40f89a7a92de510cc371f83445dc1ca_205872_512x512_fill_lanczos_center_2.png</url><title>1508</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/tag/1508/</link></image><item><title>A Report on the 2012 NSERC Discovery Grants Results for Toronto Math</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/a-report-on-the-2012-nserc-discovery-grants-results-for-toronto-math/</link><pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:51:57 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/a-report-on-the-2012-nserc-discovery-grants-results-for-toronto-math/</guid><description>&lt;p>Fifteen&lt;sup>1&lt;/sup> faculty members from the Department of Mathematics at the University of Toronto submitted proposals to the 2012 NSERC Discovery Grants competition. Of these, one was a first time applicant (En), two (Ga, Ia) applied after a successful appeal of 2011 results, and one (Cd) was an appellant whose appeal was denied but could reapply because the 2011 award was for zero dollars. The first table below shows the 2012 results (in thousands of dollars per year) with 2010, 2011 award amounts for those researchers. The second table shows similar data for Toronto mathematicians in the 2011 competition, including the amounts for researchers (1d, 2d, 3d, 4d) whose appeals of 2011 results were rejected. The average for 2012 awards to Toronto mathematicians was 153% the average for 2011.&lt;/p>
&lt;h3 id="averagegrantamounttorontomath">&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1150" href="2012CompetitionResults.png">&lt;img class="size-full wp-image-1150 alignnone" src="2012CompetitionResults.png" alt="" width="224" height="411" />&lt;/a>&lt;/h3>
&lt;h3>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1151" href="2011CompetitionResults.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1151" src="2011CompetitionResults.png" alt="" width="232" height="301" />&lt;/a>&lt;/h3>
&lt;h3>Average Grant Amount (Toronto Math)&lt;/h3>
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>2006: \$27k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>2007: \$26.3k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>2008: \$26.5k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>2009: \$25k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>2010: \$25.3k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;strong>2011: \$19.3k/y&lt;/strong>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>2012: \$29.5k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
&lt;h2 id="instabilityvisualized">Instability Visualized&lt;/h2>
Viewing the results from the perspective of researchers in these competitions reveals instability in the Discovery Grants evaluation and appeals processes:
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>Imagine the experience of researcher 2d. This person had five years at \$42k/y, was cut to \$30k/y in 2009, and successfully appealed that outcome. The result of the appeal was a one year reinstatement of the previous grant level at \$42k/y and permission to reapply to the 2011 competition. In 2011, this researcher’s grant was hacked to \$18k/y so this person files another appeal. The 2011 appeal is rejected.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Contrast the experience of professors 4d and Ga. Both launched their Canadian research careers and entered the Discovery Grants competition for the first time in 2011. Ga’s appeal of the \$13k/y result from 2011 was successful and the 2012 competition led to a new result of \$30k/y for the next five years. 4d’s 2011 appeal was denied so this researcher is locked in for five years at \$11k/y. Which of these researchers is likely to have better HQP numbers at renewal time five years from now?&lt;/li>
&lt;li>The experience of 2011 appellant Ia is also a bit strange. After a long run of celebrated research funded at the \$40k/y level, this researcher’s funding level was dropped in 2011 to \$15k/y. That outcome was successfully appealed and the 2012 outcome was \$35k/y.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>The 2011 appeals by 1d, 2d, 3d, and 4d were all turned down so these researchers are locked in at relatively low funding levels for the next five years.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>NSERC deviated from standard policy (a “pilot program”) in their handling of the 2011 appeals of Toronto mathematicians. Toronto’s appeals were evaluated by multiple appeals advisers while appeals from other universities were evaluated by one. There is evidence&lt;sup>2&lt;/sup> showing that Toronto appeals were denied even when one of the appeals advisers advocated for granting the appeal.&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
&lt;h2 id="consistentresultsonappealscasesshow2011wasanomalous">Consistent Results on Appeals Cases show 2011 was Anomalous&lt;/h2>
Proposals by three Toronto researchers were evaluated in both the 2011 and 2012 competitions. The outcomes for these proposals provide a comparison&lt;sup>3&lt;/sup> between the accuracy of the merit evaluations by the 2011 and 2012 Evaluation Groups and bin-to-funding assignment by the Executive Committee and NSERC staff. Here is the data, including the percentage adjustment from 2011 to 2012:
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1157" href="2011v2012Changes1.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1157" src="2011v2012Changes1.png" alt="" width="156" height="99" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>These three cases provide further evidence, consistent with the message in the &lt;a href="https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/04/26/canadian-mathematics-community-statement-about-nserc-discovery-grants/">public statement signed by over 300 Canadian researchers&lt;/a>, that the 2011 evaluations were anomalous. Despite the consensus opinion from the Canadian math/stats community, a &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121102120205/https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/11/22/eg-letter-to-s-fortier/">public message from a majority of the 2011 Evaluation Group&lt;/a>, and advice from top administrators that the 2011 anomalies required an altered appeals process, NSERC chose not to reevaluate the scientific merit of proposals when considering whether to grant or deny an appeal. The grounds for a successful appeal required evidence of administrative errors; evidence of error in merit evaluation was not considered germane.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>The &lt;a href="http://nmlc.math.ca/blog/">Math-NSERC Liaison Committee&lt;/a> is collecting data from department chairs about the 2012 competition for Section 1508. It might turn out that 2012 will be viewed as more consistent with expectations, a more accurate evaluation compared to 2011. This would be encouraging. However, the unsuccessful 2011 Toronto “pilot program” appellants (researchers 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d) face the next five years with inadequate funding to support their research programs.&lt;/p>
&lt;div class="footnotes">
&lt;hr />
&lt;p>&lt;strong>Footnotes:&lt;/strong>&lt;/p>
&lt;ol>
&lt;li>The names of the faculty members are suppressed. The 2012 applicants will be referenced with codes A, B, C, …, H; 2011 applicants (without successful appeal) will be referenced using 1, 2, …, 7. The appended small case letters indicate whether the researcher had an appeal granted (a), an appeal denied (d), or was a new applicant (n).&lt;/li>
&lt;li>This evidence is contained in the reports of the appeals advisers provided to the appellants by NSERC and also in documents obtained by some of the appellants through formal requests under the Access to Information Act.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>It would be useful to know the data (number, success rate, basis for granting) for Discovery Grant appeals submitted to NSERC over the past few years. As far as I can tell, NSERC does not provide this data.&lt;/li>
&lt;/ol>
&lt;/div>
&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Anticipating the 2012 NSERC Discovery Grants Competition Results</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/anticipating-the-2012-nserc-discovery-grants-competition-results/</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/anticipating-the-2012-nserc-discovery-grants-competition-results/</guid><description>&lt;h1 id="section1508discoverygrantscompetitionaftermath">2011 Discovery Grants Competition Aftermath&lt;/h1>
Anomalies in the results of the 2011 NSERC Discovery Grants competition provoked a flurry of activity nearly one year ago. My &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/nserc-peer-review-system-is-broken-for-mathematics/">blog post from April last year&lt;/a> reported on surprising results for several of my colleagues at Toronto. An email flurry among Canadian mathematicians culminated in a late April &lt;a href="https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/04/26/canadian-mathematics-community-statement-about-nserc-discovery-grants/">public statement&lt;/a> which was eventually signed by 336 Canadian researchers, including &lt;a href="https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/11/22/frsc/">35 Fellows of the Royal Society&lt;/a> and &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121102115919/https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/11/22/crc/">27 Canada Research Chairs&lt;/a>. In late May, a majority of the Evaluation Group for Section 1508 released a &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121102120205/https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/11/22/eg-letter-to-s-fortier/">public letter&lt;/a> to NSERC President Suzanne Fortier reporting on a “lack of fairness”, a “lack of transparency” and that their “confidence in the program, as currently administered, is regrettably shaken”. President Fortier gave a presentation to the Canadian Mathematical Community at the Summer CMS Meeting. President Fortier’s slides have not been released but there are &lt;a href="http://nghoussoub.com/2011/06/18/a-senior-scholar-reports-on-s-fortiers-presentation-at-the-cms-meeting/">notes and rebuttals by Walter Craig&lt;/a>. Claims of grade inflation have also &lt;a href="http://nghoussoub.com/2012/01/23/grade-inflation-instability-and-uncertainty-in-discovery-grant-competitions/">been analyzed.&lt;/a>
&lt;h1 id="torontomathappealsof2011discoverygrantsresults">Toronto Math Appeals of 2011 Results&lt;/h1>
Last May, seven Toronto mathematicians submitted appeals of their 2011 results. As far as I can determine, NSERC does not provide statistics on the number of appeals but seven math appeals was unprecedented from Toronto. Appeals are &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/Policies-Politiques/appeals-appel_eng.asp">normally resolved within two to three months&lt;/a>. As of late September, the decisions on the appeals were not yet announced. Toronto Math made email and telephone inquiries asking that decisions be made soon since successful appellants would need time to prepare new proposals in advance of the November 1 submission deadline.
&lt;p>Email correspondence revealed that Toronto’s appeals were handled differently than those from other universities. In particular, NSERC’s Isabelle Blain informed me that Toronto’s appeals were processed through a “pilot” program involving two or more appeals advisers. Three of the appeals decisions were announced in late September and the remaining four appeals were announced on October 19, 2011: 2 of 7 appeals were granted. The good news for the successful applicants was bittersweet since it set in motion a rushed effort to prepare proposals for the 2012 competition. Unfortunately, the reports from the appeals advisers for one of the successful appellants could not be consulted while preparing the 2012 proposals since they were not provided by NSERC until after the submission deadline. Toronto appeals were rejected in circumstances when one or more of the appeals advisers advocated for granting the appeal. Some Toronto appellants perceive the “pilot” appeals process to have been unfair. Conversations along these lines continue….&lt;/p>
&lt;h1 id="repercussions:uncertaintyfrugalityandhqp">Repercussions: Uncertainty, Frugality and HQP&lt;/h1>
In the wake of the 2011 anomalies, many Toronto mathematicians who face renewal of their NSERC Grant in 2012, 2013 and even in 2014 are hesitant to commit funds toward hiring postdocs or toward training graduate students. Uncertainty has provoked frugality. Running a successful, even world leading, research program is no longer sufficient to justify an NSERC Discovery Grant. The new evaluation metrics, introduced by NSERC in 2009, require evidence that the principal investigator is successful at training highly qualified personnel (HQP). Taking frugal actions now will limit HQP production over the next few years resulting in a lower or zero grant next time: a vicious cycle which obstructs research advancement and training of young investigators. With the goals of breaking this cycle and maintaining the research vibrancy postdocs bring, the Department of Mathematics at Toronto has raised its funding support level (by 33%) for postdoctoral hires.
&lt;h1 id="lookingforward">Looking Forward: Continued Instability&lt;/h1>
The 2012 Discovery Grants Competition results will be announced in the next week or two. Hearsay and anecdotal reports about the evaluation process have been reassuring. The Evaluation Group received &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121102115945/https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/12/12/recommendations-for-nserc-eg-1508/">recommendations jointly authored&lt;/a> by the Long Range Plan Committee Chair Nancy Reid and the Math-NSERC Liaison Committee Chair Walter Craig. Similar recommendations were made in a &lt;a href="http://www.cap.ca/sites/cap.ca/files/article/2028/oct11-letter-cap-note.pdf">December letter&lt;/a> by a group of physicists to President Fortier. The &lt;a href="http://longrangeplan.ca/">Long Range Plan&lt;/a> should help heal the rifts between the mathematics and statistics communities of Canada when it is released later this year. There are reasons to be optimistic in the short term.
&lt;p>In the intermediate term, there is likely to be continued instability with the peer review system at NSERC. Despite the 2011 anomalies for math and the ensuing kerfuffle, receiving similar complaints and suggestions for improvements by physicists, and faced with public criticisms by astronomers, chemists and engineers, NSERC staff insists that the new system is working well. The new evaluation system, the “conference model” with its “bins” and HQP touchstone, was introduced in 2009 and will be the subject of a five year review in 2014. Whether led by current or future NSERC staff, or by an energized scientific community, I anticipate substantial changes, and therefore instabilities, to the peer review process at NSERC in 2014 or 2015.&lt;/p>
&lt;h1>Shrinking Funds for Basic Research&lt;/h1>
Beyond the fairness of the evaluation process, there is the issue of shrinking federal investment in basic research. According to &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/_doc/FactsFigures-TableauxDetailles/2010-2011Tables_e.pdf">NSERC's 2010-2011 tables,&lt;/a> expenditures on Discovery have been flat to decreasing when viewed in constant 2000 dollars over the past decade (data taken from Table 1). In contrast, the total NSERC budget has grown with the expansion occurring in programs aimed at commercialization rather than basic research.
&lt;p> &lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1110" href="Table1b.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1110" src="Table1b.png" alt="" width="436" height="565" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1193" href="InnovationExpenditures.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1193" src="InnovationExpenditures.png" alt="" width="454" height="279" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Meanwhile, strategic recruitment leveraged by the CRC and CERC programs has increased the number of faculty submitting Discovery Grant applications (data taken from Table 27). Over the same time period, the number of successful applications has decreased (data taken from Table 27).&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1106" href="Table-27a.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1106" src="Table-27a.png" alt="" width="422" height="287" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1107" href="Table-27b.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1107" src="Table-27b.png" alt="" width="428" height="283" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p> &lt;/p>
&lt;p>Table 50 shows that mathematicians do not really benefit from programs outside of the Discovery Grants. Mathematics, the &amp;ldquo;poetry of logical ideas&amp;rdquo;, is profoundly relevant to various industries. Canada&amp;rsquo;s research mathematicians need to find ways to share their expertise and leverage their Discovery Grant funds the way other disciplines do.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a rel="attachment wp-att-1060" href="Table50.png">&lt;img src="Table50.png" alt="" width="793" height="319" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p></description></item><item><title>2011 Winter CMS Town Hall Notes</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/2011-winter-cms-town-hall-notes/</link><pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/2011-winter-cms-town-hall-notes/</guid><description>&lt;p>The &lt;a href="http://cms.math.ca/Events/winter11/">2011 Winter CMS Meeting&lt;/a> took place this past weekend. On Sunday (2011-12-11), there was a CMS Town Hall meeting. The discussion was led by a panel consisting of &lt;a href="http://longrangeplan.ca/">Long Range Plan&lt;/a> Committee Chair &lt;a href="http://utstat.toronto.edu/reid/">Nancy Reid&lt;/a>, CMS President &lt;a href="http://www.math.mcgill.ca/hurtubise/">Jacques Hurtubise&lt;/a>, and CMS Director &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120109001440/http://cms.math.ca:80/bulletins/2009/rudnick">Johan Rudnick&lt;/a> (who was partially obscured by a poinsetta). Attendees to the town hall meeting were fed a free lunch.&lt;/p>
&lt;h3 id="longrangeplanupdate">Long Range Plan Update&lt;/h3>
Nancy gave a status update on the long range plan. She reported that the committee met in October and is in the process of writing. They hope to have a draft version of the report available in late February with a target goal of final publication in June 2012. Nancy also reported that she and &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120109001456/http://nmlc.math.ca:80/">Math-NSERC Liaison Committee&lt;/a> Chair &lt;a href="http://www.math.mcmaster.ca/craig/">Walter Craig&lt;/a> had sent a letter of recommendations to NSERC for this year's Discovery Grants competition. The letter is &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121102115945/https://nmlc.math.ca/blog/blog/2011/12/12/recommendations-for-nserc-eg-1508/">posted here&lt;/a> and also on the &lt;a href="http://longrangeplan.ca">LRP web space&lt;/a>.
&lt;p>Nancy reported that the overall federal funding envelope for math/stats through NSERC (Discovery grants, Institute, …) is around $21M/y. To function effectively, the Institutes require additional funds from the Provinces and other partners. To avoid the departures of talented mathematicians from Canada as &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/mathematics-discovery-grants-are-insufficient-and-broken/">forecasted last year&lt;/a>, there is a need for more funding. I asked if the LRP report would contrast the circumstances faced by Canada’s financially threatened math/stats community with the recent &amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;/tag/perimeter/&amp;quot;&amp;gt;$100M ( $50M federal, $50M Ontario)&lt;/a> gift to the Perimeter Institute. Nancy replied that the LRP report will only address funds granted through NSERC and will not comment on grants given through other sources.&lt;/p>
&lt;h3 id="persistentconcernsaboutnsercanddiscoverygrants">Persistent Concerns about NSERC and Discovery Grants&lt;/h3>
The open discussion revealed that there remain serious concerns within the Canadian mathematical community about NSERC and the Discovery Grants program. Nancy reported that consultations with NSERC have “not always been easy.” &lt;a href="http://people.math.carleton.ca/~brett/">Brett Stevens&lt;/a> expressed the view that the weight given to the training of highly qualified personnel in evaluating the merit of proposals was problematic. Nancy relayed that these issues had been raised with Isabelle Blain. Based on those conversations, Nancy predicted that no substantial review of the new system would take place until 2014.
&lt;p>According to Nancy, NSERC staff claims that no discipline other than mathematics has complained about the new peer review system. I relayed that there have been reports by computer scientists and physicists of troubles with the outcomes of their recent competitions. NSERC might not be aware of the troubles in other disciplines but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Through the Liaison Committee, the LRP process, the Institutes, meetings of chairs, trans-Canada research collaborations, and meetings of the CMS and &lt;a href="http://www.ssc.ca/">SSC&lt;/a>, the math/stats community in Canada has strong communications channels. These channels allowed us to see the anomalies in the 2011 outcome through a national lens. I wonder if other disciplines would see problems with the conference model if they too had a wide enough vantage point on the outcome of their recent Discovery Grants competitions.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>There was some discussion about how NSERC has moved funds away from the Discovery Grants program into a potpourri of programs supporting commercialization and academic-industrial partnerships. As mentioned in the 2007 report of the International Review panel (which led to the new peer review system), pure mathematics is &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/nserc-peer-review-system-is-broken-for-mathematics/">unfairly punished&lt;/a> when basic research funds are redirected toward short term commercialization goals.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a href="http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~campbelh/">Eddie Campbell&lt;/a> isolated an issue that our community must confront. Should NSERC fund lots of smaller grants or fewer larger grants? There is a fixed amount of money in the federal budget for mathematics. How should those funds be spread out? Jacques mentioned that “spreading peanut butter” is a frequent metaphor used in discussions around this issue.&lt;/p>
&lt;h3 id="transparency">Transparency&lt;/h3>
I highlighted Minister Tony Clement’s &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111129020608/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tony-clement-vows-to-make-government-more-transparent-with-online-data/article2029925/">call for federal government transparency&lt;/a>. With this background, I asked Nancy if the LRP could arrange for the release of NSERC President Suzanne Fortier’s slides from her public presentation at the &lt;a href="http://cms.math.ca/Events/summer11/related_events">Summer 2011 CMS meeting&lt;/a>. Nancy replied that the LRP has the slides but has been instructed not to circulate them. Nancy also reported that the LRP had requested data regarding the appeals numbers and success rate. She said the success rate is running around 25% but the LRP had not yet received the requested data. In light of Mr. Clement’s call for federal government transparency, I wonder why the data presented publicly by NSERC’s President to the Canadian Mathematical Society and requested by the LRP remains concealed from public view.
&lt;h3 id="immigrationpolicyconcerns">Immigration Policy Concerns&lt;/h3>
&lt;a href="http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/">David Pike&lt;/a> expressed frustration that Canada’s immigration rules prevent international graduate students from seeking permanent residency. I didn’t quite understand the details. David reported that the policy is seriously affecting his finishing PhD student who wishes to stay in Canada but will probably be forced to leave. Canada and the provinces invest heavily in the training of international graduate students. David reported that current immigration policy prevents Canada and the provinces from benefiting from this investment since these highly qualified graduates are often required to leave after earning their PhD.
&lt;p>The CMS town hall meeting was a great opportunity for discussion among members of the Canadian math/stats community. I look forward to the LRP report and am grateful for all the hard work that Nancy Reid and the committee have done.&lt;/p></description></item><item><title>A New Dawn for Math and Stats in Canada</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/2011-a-new-dawn-for-math-and-stats-in-canada/</link><pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 05:53:36 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/2011-a-new-dawn-for-math-and-stats-in-canada/</guid><description>&lt;p>The recently released &lt;a href="http://www.epsrc.ac.uk/research/intrevs/2010maths/Pages/default.aspx">2010 International Review of Mathematical Sciences for the UK&lt;/a> has a timely quote for the Canadian statistical and mathematical communities to consider (see page 10):&lt;/p>
&lt;blockquote>"A longstanding practice has been to divide the mathematical sciences into categories that are, by implication, close to disjoint. Two of the most common distinctions are drawn between ‘pure’ and ‘applied’ mathematics, and between ‘mathematics’ and ‘statistics’. These and other categories can be useful to convey real differences in style, culture and methodology, but, in the panel’s view, they have produced an increasingly negative effect when the mathematical sciences are considered in the overall context of science and engineering, by stressing divisions rather than unifying principles. Furthermore, such distinctions can create unnecessary barriers and tensions within the mathematical sciences community by absorbing energy that might be expended more productively."&lt;/blockquote>
Yesterday, a majority of the &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/Committees-Comites/MathematicStatistics-MathematiqueStatistique_eng.asp">Evaluation Group (1508)&lt;/a> which adjudicated the 2011 NSERC Discovery Grants competition posted a &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110823084232/https://nmlc.math.ca/blogs/NSERC_Liaison_Committee/eg-letter-to-s-fortier/"> public letter&lt;/a> to &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/President-Presidente/Index_eng.asp">NSERC President Suzanne Fortier&lt;/a>. This letter finally provides some official insights into the 2011 competition that I &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/nserc-peer-review-system-is-broken-for-mathematics/">publicly requested on April 11.&lt;/a> The letter also validates the concerns expressed by the &lt;a href="https://nmlc.math.ca/blogs/NSERC_Liaison_Committee/">public statement by the Math NSERC Liaison Committee&lt;/a> from April 26 which has (so far) been signed by:
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110823083119/http://nmlc.math.ca/blogs/NSERC_Liaison_Committee/blog/2011/04/26/canadian-mathematics-community-statement-about-nserc-discovery-grants/">325 Canadian math/stats scientists&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110823084303/https://nmlc.math.ca/blogs/NSERC_Liaison_Committee/frsc/">35 Fellows of the Royal Society of Canada&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110823084154/https://nmlc.math.ca/blogs/NSERC_Liaison_Committee/crc/">26 Canada Research Chairs&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110721042944/http://dailynews.mcmaster.ca:80/story.cfm?id=6043">A Killam Research Fellow&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="http://weyl.math.toronto.edu:8888/victor_ivrii/">Another Killam Research Fellow&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Arthur_%28mathematician%29">Past President of the American Mathematical Society&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
Yesterday's letter clarifies the responsibilities of the Evaluation Group, its Executive Committee, and NSERC staff in evaluating the proposals and assigning dollar amounts. We now know that the Executive Committee was allowed to give &lt;strong>different&lt;/strong> dollar amounts to proposals with &lt;strong>equal&lt;/strong> merit. Stats proposals were given more money than math proposals despite being evaluated as having equal merit. We also know that proposals evaluated in 2010 were given substantially larger money amounts than equal merit proposals in 2011. These outcomes are unfair. The 2011 aftermath provides an opportunity for NSERC to evaluate and improve the new evaluation system used for adjudicating the Discovery Grants competition.
&lt;p>The statisticians on the Evaluation Group did not sign yesterday&amp;rsquo;s public letter to the NSERC President.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>The unequal treatment of statistics and mathematics during the 2011 competition has provoked a rift between these two communities of Canadian researchers. These two communities were forced to merge by NSERC, &lt;a href="http://sscgscrestructuring.pbworks.com/w/page/7774537/FrontPage">against the wishes of the statistics community&lt;/a>, in 2009. Although the statisticians on the Evaluation Group did not sign yesterday&amp;rsquo;s statement, three notable signatories to the public statement by the Math NSERC Liaison Committee are prominent statisticians:&lt;/p>
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="http://www.ssc.ca/en/about/operations/board-directors-ssc">President of the Statistical Society of Canada&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110706214342/http://www.mat.ulaval.ca/pages/lpr/">Chair of the Research Committee of the Statistical Society of Canada&lt;/a>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>&lt;a href="http://www.utstat.utoronto.ca/reid/">Chair&lt;/a> of the&lt;a href="http://longrangeplan.ca/"> Long Range Plan&lt;/a> for the merger of math and stats.&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
Now is the time for mathematicians and statisticians to collaborate to improve the system for distributing federal investments in research. Let's work together to avoid being divided and conquered.
&lt;p> &lt;/p></description></item><item><title>NSERC Peer Review System is Broken for Mathematics</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/nserc-peer-review-system-is-broken-for-mathematics/</link><pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:49:49 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/nserc-peer-review-system-is-broken-for-mathematics/</guid><description>&lt;p>Anomalous results of the 2011 NSERC Discovery Grants competition in mathematics have provoked a loss of confidence in the NSERC peer review system. To avoid a substantial loss of Canada’s scientific talent, which has been enhanced through the Canada Research Chairs program and other spectacular hiring over the past ten years, scientific policymakers need to quickly fix the broken peer review system. In the absence of an effective peer review process setting the strategy for research investment, Canada will miss out on the rewards made over the past decade’s recruitment of scientific talent.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>What is happening in other sciences? Anecdotal reports from the following sources suggest the anomalies are not restricted to the math department at Toronto:&lt;/p>
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>Toronto: MATH, CHM, EEB, PHY, STA, Engineering&lt;/li>
&lt;li>UBC: CS, MATH&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Queens: MATH&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
What happened to other disciplines? I’d like to know but NSERC won’t reveal the 2011 data until after the federal election. I’d like to hear from other scientific disciplines about their confidence in the recently transformed NSERC peer review system.
&lt;p>In 2007, NSERC commissioned a review by an international committee culminating in &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110105030206/http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/_doc/Reports-Rapports/Consultations/DGinternational_review-rpt_e.pdf">this report&lt;/a>. (Please find my annotated version &lt;a href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011_NSERC/DGinternational_review-rpt_e_MarkedUp.pdf">here&lt;/a> and a marked up version of the &lt;a href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011_NSERC/ManagementResponsetotheInternationalReviewoftheDiscoveryGrantsProgram_e.pdf">NSERC Management response to the 2007 International Review Committee Report&lt;/a>.) This report made recommendations leading to fundamental changes in the peer review process for all disciplines starting in 2009. The implementation of these changes (involving the so-called &lt;em>conference model&lt;/em> and &lt;em>binning&lt;/em> system) and other forces have provoked a loss of confidence in the peer review process at NSERC among mathematicians at Toronto, and across Canada.&lt;/p>
&lt;h2 id="torontomathresultsareanomalous">Toronto Math Results are Anomalous&lt;/h2>
The results (names omitted) of the 2011 NSERC Discovery Grants Competition for the Department of Mathematics at the University of Toronto are anomalous:
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>Professor A. \$29k/y to \$18k/y&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor B. 40 to 15&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor C. 42 to 30 to 42 to 18&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor D. 26 to 18&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor E. 40 to 40&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor F. 38 to 47&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor G. 0 to 0&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Professor H. 15 to 13&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
(The numbers represent annual research grant amount in dollars for the past 5 years and the new number for the next 5 years. For a description about how mathematician’s use these funds, go &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/mathematics-discovery-grants-are-insufficient-and-broken/">here&lt;/a>.)
&lt;h3 id="aboutprofessorc.">About Professor C.&lt;/h3>
Consider the case of &lt;em>CMS award winning&lt;/em> Professor C. In 2010, this researcher’s grant was cut from 42 down to 30. After an appeal, the grant was reinstated for one year back to 42. In this year’s competition, one year after the appeal, NSERC drops it to 18, a 57% cut. Meanwhile, Professor C’s frequent collaborator (each had more than 50% overlap of their research with the other during 2006-2011), Professor K., received 45 staying at 100% of the previous level in this competition. Will the real opinion of NSERC on Professor C’s research please stand up? Professor C’s story is quite similar to &lt;a href="http://ghoussoub.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/nserc-a-senior-scientist-speaks-out/">Don Fraser’s personal account&lt;/a>. (Within the conference model, I understand that a different group of &lt;em>only&lt;/em> 5 experts may have reviewed the proposals of Professors C and K. This remark can account for the inconsistency but reveals aspects of larger issues that need to be fixed.)
&lt;h3 id="aboutprofessorb.">About Professor B.&lt;/h3>
Imagine running a successful research operation (success, former students get awards, 13 major pubs in 2006-2011) for the past five years like Professor B using 45K/y. Students are in the pipeline; postdoc candidates have been scouted; Professor B has new ideas. NSERC rewards this person with a drop from 45 down to 18, a 60% cut. This researcher is confused with the outcome: “What did I change? What should I have done differently?”
&lt;h3 id="aboutprofessorg.">About Professor G.&lt;/h3>
This person is a (perhaps &lt;em>the&lt;/em>) world leading expert on a substantial research area. It seems this person, despite spectacular research success, is unworthy of a Discovery Grant because they don’t produce enough students. It is as though Canada has a sports car and they don’t put tires on it.
&lt;h2 id="secondaryeffectsscenarios">Secondary Effects Scenarios&lt;/h2>
Mathematicians, of international calibre, with a steady research production stream and surrounded by young researchers have had their grants slashed by nearly 60% during the 2011 NSERC Discovery Grants Competition.
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>Now, imagine you are an assistant professor in Canada. You might have nice support right now, like a Sloan or an ERA. You are building a research group, spending money on HQP, scouting talent. But your funding has a finite time horizon and the Discovery Grants look unstable, unpredictable. So, would you leave Canada if you could? &lt;strong>Fix NSERC or the young talent will leave Canada.&lt;/strong>&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Now, imagine you are a recently recruited Canada Research Chair: if you just concluded that your junior faculty member might be wise to leave Canada, how do you see your department in 10 years? Would you leave Canada if you could? &lt;strong>Fix NSERC or the CRCs will leave Canada.&lt;/strong>&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
The system is broken and needs to be fixed.
&lt;p>There are (at least) two main problems:&lt;/p>
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>Math in Canada is treated unfairly compared to other disciplines&lt;/li>
&lt;li>The Peer Review system is broken&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
&lt;h2 id="mathincanadaistreatedunfairly">Math in Canada is treated unfairly&lt;/h2>
The main problem with mathematics funding in Canada is the amount invested is too low. I’ve written about this &lt;a href="https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/mathematics-discovery-grants-are-insufficient-and-broken/">before&lt;/a>. Consider the data from 2009 of NSERC Discovery Grants (2010 is similar, 2011 is not available) over the disciplines:
&lt;p>&lt;img src="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/images/DiscoveryGrantResults2009.png" alt="2009 NSERC Data across Disciplines" />&lt;/p>
&lt;p>The average math and stats grant is $20K/y while the &lt;strong>average over all disciplines&lt;/strong> is $41K/y. Why is it that the average scientist in Canada can expect more than double the amount a Canadian mathematician can expect? Keep in mind that Discovery Grants are primarily used to fund research personnel not expensive labs.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>David Wehlau’s data (posted and discussed &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/Committees-Comites/MathematicStatistics-MathematiqueStatistique_eng.asp">here&lt;/a>) reveals the trend: over the past twenty years, mathematics investment as a percentage of the total amount in Discovery Grants funding has declined from nearly 4% down to 2%. Math has received less and less funding compared to other disciplines. This subtle reallocation needs to be abruptly reversed.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;a href="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011_NSERC/discoverygrantfundinghistory-1992-2010.png">&lt;/a>&lt;a href="discoverygrantfundinghistory-1992-20101-1024x621.png">&lt;img class="alignnone size-large wp-image-297" src="discoverygrantfundinghistory-1992-20101-1024x621.png" alt="" width="819" height="497" />&lt;/a>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;strong>The unfairness then multiplies.&lt;/strong> Consider the following snippet from the 2007 international review report:
&lt;img src="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011_NSERC/MathOnlyGetsDGP.png" alt="MathDGPUnfair" /> Other disciplines are benefitting more from other industrially targeted NSERC programs and other sources compared to pure mathematicians. NSERC views Discovery Grants as &lt;em>grant-in-aid&lt;/em>: a precursor grant leading to other sources of funds. The international review committee reports that is not the case for mathematics AND mathematicians receive on average less than half the funds received by other scientists. This is an implicit funding reallocation away from mathematics toward other disciplines and is unfair.&lt;/p>
&lt;h2 id="brokenpeerreviewsystem">Broken Peer Review System&lt;/h2>
The outcome of the 2011 competition, and consistent reports (like &lt;a href="http://ghoussoub.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/nserc-a-senior-scientist-speaks-out/">Don Fraser’s&lt;/a>) from the past two years, have provoked a loss of confidence in the peer review system at NSERC. To rebuild trust and avoid the departure of talented scientists, the mathematics community of Canada needs to know what happened in 2011. We need to understand why the peer review system produced the 2011 funding allocations.
&lt;p>There has been considerable chatter in the mathematics community about the 2011 competition. However, &lt;strong>we need people with official roles to speak officially at this time&lt;/strong>. In addition to the forthcoming data from NSERC, I hope that &lt;a href="http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/Committees-Comites/MathematicStatistics-MathematiqueStatistique_eng.asp">Section 1508, the Mathematics and Statistics Evaluation Committee&lt;/a> will explain the 2011 evaluation process and actively participate in discussions leading to an improved system that regains the confidence of mathematicians and statisticians working in Canada. What happened? How can we fix it?&lt;/p>
&lt;p> &lt;/p></description></item><item><title>Mathematics Discovery Grants are Insufficient and Broken</title><link>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/mathematics-discovery-grants-are-insufficient-and-broken/</link><pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:35:15 +0000</pubDate><guid>https://0a92e423.colliand.pages.dev/post/mathematics-discovery-grants-are-insufficient-and-broken/</guid><description>&lt;p>Beginning this academic year, I have served the &lt;a href="http://www.math.toronto.edu">Department of Mathematics&lt;/a> as the Associate Chair [Research].
The principal responsibility of this position is to administer the hiring process, for tenure stream and postdoctoral appointments. I also recently served on the &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110228152049/http://www.research.utoronto.ca/investment/u-of-t-connaught-funding/">Connaught&lt;/a> Physical Science Review Panel which reviews applications for Connaught funds and adjudicates the &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728042519/http://www.research.utoronto.ca/for-researchers-administrators/funding-sources/funding-opps/?showopp=716">McLean Award&lt;/a>.
Serving on the Connaught Panel has given me a perspective on the research climate in fields outside of mathematics.
Metaphorically, these responsibilities have required me to look up from my research papers and out the window at the infrastructure supporting researchers at UofT. I am troubled by what I have seen:&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Here is a table generated by NSERC showing the Discovery Grants (DG) data across disciplines. &lt;img src="http://www.math.toronto.edu/colliand/images/DiscoveryGrantResults2009.png" alt="NSERC Discovery Grants by Discipline" />&lt;/p>
&lt;h1>Discovery Grants are Insufficient&lt;/h1>
On average, Canadian mathematicians receive about $20K/y to sustain their research program. This &lt;a href="http://ilaba.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/nserc-discovery-grants-how-we-spend-the-money/">post&lt;/a> by Izabella Laba explains how mathematicians typically use this money at UBC. As part of the planning exercise, I suggest we consider how much money a mathematician &lt;em>needs&lt;/em> to run a research program. Simple considerations show that $20k is insufficient.
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>At Toronto, faculty are encouraged to contribute one quarter of their NSERC DG to &lt;strong>support graduate students&lt;/strong>. This amounts to &lt;strong>$6K&lt;/strong> from a typical $20K NSERC DG.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Faculty pay some &lt;strong>incidental expenses&lt;/strong> related to computing infrastructure costs, printing, etc. Let's suppose these total about &lt;strong>$1K&lt;/strong>.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>Collaborative mathematical research requires travel to bring the coworkers together. A typical research visit requires an airfare purchase and a hotel room. Each research visit costs between \$1K and \$2K.&lt;/li>
&lt;li>The development of graduate students and postdocs into researchers often requires&lt;a href="http://www.dma.unina.it/hamiltonianPDE/"> conference &lt;/a>participation. The associated travel costs are frequently paid using the advisor's Discovery Grant. Local expenses for sponsored graduate students are often paid by the conference. Each field trip by a graduate student or postdoc costs about $500, sometimes more if the conference is outside of North America.&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
What does minimal research activity look like? What does it cost? Minimal research activity might involve, say, three to four research visits over the calendar year, and one graduate student research field trip. These might add up to &lt;strong>$4K&lt;/strong>.
&lt;p>So, a minimally active researcher with a typical research grant of $20K spends $6K supporting a graduate student, $1K on incidentals, and $4K on research visits leaving $9K.&lt;/p>
&lt;ul>
&lt;li>At Toronto, postdoctoral positions require between \$32K and \$40K from faculty research grants. This money is supplemented with a teaching stipend to complete the salary package for the postdoc.&lt;/li>
&lt;/ul>
The minimally active mathematician with average funding can barely afford one third of a postdoc. Therefore, it is necessary to combine funds with like-minded colleagues to generate a postdoc position. The need to build funding alliances prevents typical faculty members from choosing the postdoctoral candidate with the most synergy with their research program. Instead, the typical researcher needs to look for a candidate that two of their colleagues will also like enough to spend \$10K or more to have in the department. Instead of recruiting postdocs with potentially explosive overlapping research interests, we make deals just to get someone in the department and hope for some resonance after training the Postdoc on our research topic. Of course, all three faculty members want the person they hire to contribute to their research program. So the Postdoc is encouraged to learn background materials in three (hopefully related) areas which are not strongly linked to their thesis area. Except in rare cases with unexpected synergy, this arrangement is a &lt;strong>failure factory&lt;/strong>.
&lt;p> &lt;/p>
&lt;p>&lt;span style="font-size: 20px;font-weight: bold">Mid-Career Funding Gap&lt;/span>&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Early research awards (ERA, Sloan, etc.) fund research activities by new faculty. These opportunities are restricted by a time horizon typically around 10 years after the PhD. Young faculty at Toronto with these grants can often &lt;strong>solely fund&lt;/strong> the research component of a Postdoc funding package.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Similarly, eminent senior members of our department with large grants can solely fund postdocs.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Midcareer mathematicians typically must &lt;strong>make a deal &lt;/strong>with their colleagues to assemble the funds to to hire a Postdoc.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>Canada&amp;rsquo;s Discovery Grants funding policies do not adequately support research activity by mathematicians and especially hurts researchers in the middle of their career. Young researchers who win early research awards in Canada are capable of starting a research program. The present funding structure does not allow these emerging mathematicians to fully develop through the mid-Career phase into world class research leaders. Canada has been very effective at recruiting talented young mathematicians during the past decade. When young research stars in Canada start to realize the mid-Career funding gap prevents them from carrying out their research plans, they will leave and go elsewhere.&lt;/p>
&lt;h2>HQP training is not necessary for spectacular research success.&lt;/h2>
Why does NSERC require an HQP (Highly Qualified Personnel) component in research plans? I expect the answer has to do with the general goal that the government policies should encourage the training of a highly skilled population. This is a good goal. However, the HQP requirements for Discovery Grants fail to envision the secondary effects of world leading research on the training of future scientists. Consider, for example, the case of &lt;a href="http://www.math.ias.edu/people/faculty/bourgain">Jean Bourgain&lt;/a>. Bourgain &lt;a href="http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=63054">had one&lt;/a> Ph.D student so his HQP production would be viewed as insufficient to merit a Discovery Grant by NSERC. However, Bourgain's advances have created new fields of mathematics where a generation of mathematicians (e.g. &lt;a href="http://www.math.ubc.ca/~ilaba/">Izabella Laba&lt;/a>, &lt;a href="http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~schlag/">Wilhelm Schlag&lt;/a>, &lt;a href="http://www-math.mit.edu/~gigliola/">Gigliola Staffilani&lt;/a>, &lt;a href="http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao/">Terry Tao&lt;/a> ...) has blossomed. The NSERC definition of HQP fails to envision the effects of ground breaking research in the development of future scientists.
&lt;p>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9">Henri Poincaré&lt;/a> had &lt;a href="http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=34227">five&lt;/a> graduate students. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann">John von Neumann&lt;/a> only had &lt;a href="http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=53213">three&lt;/a> students. I wonder if they&amp;rsquo;d qualify for a Discovery Grant given the highly qualified personnel requirements in the funding formulae? My colleague Victor Ivrii made an &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_the_shape_of_a_drum#Weyl.27s_formula">historical advance&lt;/a> by proving Weyl&amp;rsquo;s conjecture about the eigenvalues of the Laplacian on a domain. Due to the HQP requirement, Victors&amp;rsquo;s DG is zero. Similarly, my colleague Michael Goldstein advances the frontier with big results which appear in &lt;a href="http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/search/publdoc.html?pg1=IID&amp;amp;s1=674385&amp;amp;vfpref=html&amp;amp;r=1&amp;amp;mx-pid=2753606">&lt;em>Annals&lt;/em>&lt;/a>, &lt;a href="http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/search/publdoc.html?pg1=IID&amp;amp;s1=674385&amp;amp;vfpref=html&amp;amp;r=8&amp;amp;mx-pid=1815703">&lt;em>Annals&lt;/em> (again)&lt;/a>, &lt;a href="http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/search/publdoc.html?pg1=IID&amp;amp;s1=674385&amp;amp;vfpref=html&amp;amp;r=5&amp;amp;mx-pid=1947458">&lt;em>Acta&lt;/em>&lt;/a>, etc. and his efforts are rewarded with a $14K/y NSERC DG. Goldstein&amp;rsquo;s research excellence has been &lt;a href="http://webapps.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=532">recognized&lt;/a> outside of Ottawa.&lt;/p>
&lt;p>In my opinion, the fact that Canada fails to invest in the scholarly activity of its world-class researchers is a disgrace. The Discovery Grants system needs to be fixed.&lt;/p>
&lt;h2>Research Program Profiles should be Defined&lt;/h2>
The mathematical community, perhaps through the &lt;a href="http://longrangeplan.ca/">long range planning exercise&lt;/a>, should formulate typical budgets required for mathematician’s operating at different levels. How much money is required to effectively run the research enterprise for a mathematician? Of course, the answer depends upon career stage, level of engagement with students and postdocs, etc. The mathematical community should define funding requirements for a collection of research program profiles (parametrized by quantity and quality, and HQP level ranging through zero, some, to lots of junior collaborator participation in the research). If NSERC wants to put us in &lt;strong>bins&lt;/strong>, mathematicians should define those bins, not NSERC staff, and we should insist on adequate funding to allow Canada's mathematical research community to emerge as world leading. Presently, there are too many government generated obstructions preventing our ascension.</description></item></channel></rss>